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Justin Parmala
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Posted - 2013.07.28 11:09:00 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:Remember it's not possible to look at ECM without also looking at the ships - right now ECM birds NEED to stack mods up so hard, they can afford almost no tank whatsoever. That needs considered alongside any potential ECM change - that they need so many mods to be remotely consistent/threatening. .
Lol, you can fit tank to ECM ships and still jam ships.
I would agree that you are clueless because of posts like this. |

Justin Parmala
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Posted - 2013.07.28 11:21:00 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:Then the jams are VERY unreliable and I don't think there's any debate about how fast they die after a couple of missed jams.
No lol, fitting a single 1600mm plate gives you like 10k more EHP and reduces your jam on a specific module from 9.9 str to 9.4 .
What are u even saying hahaha. |

Justin Parmala
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Posted - 2013.07.28 11:36:00 -
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HiddenPorpoise wrote:Diesel47 wrote:Also: Do you even know what a brawling is bro? I do. Now, from the situation you just laid out, kill the tackle orbiting just out of lock range (18km) and the keres orbiting at 36(the keres is putting down a point from here as well).
Try to slingshot the tackler at 18kms, he dies. \o/, you just killed something. Can't do that with ECM :), because when u get jammed everybody and their uncle will get in close to you and apply DPS because they know you can't do anything to fight back. |

Justin Parmala
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Posted - 2013.07.28 11:54:00 -
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Whitehound wrote: crap post
Please cease posting, thanks. |

Justin Parmala
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Posted - 2013.07.28 12:29:00 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:Justin Parmala wrote:Morrigan LeSante wrote:Then the jams are VERY unreliable and I don't think there's any debate about how fast they die after a couple of missed jams. No lol, fitting a single 1600mm plate gives you like 10k more EHP and reduces your jam on a specific module from 9.9 str to 9.4 . What are u even saying hahaha. Great, now you have a ~50% change to jam a lowly caracal. Oooooh terrifying. Optimal caps out at ~54km too Now imagine what an arazu could do to the same caracal? Far, far worse. But, yeah you're all right, ECM is an I-WIN button, that's why it's everywhere all the time, even on unbonused hulls. Wait, sorry - that was 2005
Optimal caps out at 54km? You using a failcon? If u want range jump into a blackbird and your optimal is around 80km.
50km is really far away anyways. Not a lot of things can reach you. |

Justin Parmala
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Posted - 2013.07.28 13:08:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Diesel47 wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
I have no idea who DHB wildcat is, should I know? Have I just been introduced to a z-list celebrity from some obscure TV channel I don't know. Other than that the rest of your post is merely opinion and opinions without facts or reasoned arguments are worthless.
You asked proof that experienced PvPers agree with me. I pointed one out. Not my problem you don't know who he is. Go google his name or something. Infact, go google who the oldest and best PvPers are, then go ask them yourself what they think about ECM. And stop hiding behind an alt, post with your main. I shouldn't have to go fact checking your arguments, it's your job to bring the facts to the table. Also I don't have alts I have fully fleshed out main characters though admittedly more than one. Anyhow after you rudely told someone to STFU I am now obliged to ask you to: 'Show us on the dolly where the nasty Falcon touched you...'
Its nobodies job to bring facts to you so you can decide whether they are right or not. What do you think you are? Some kind of forum king that everybody has to pay a debt to?
Your arrogance is astounding. |

Justin Parmala
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Posted - 2013.07.28 13:35:00 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:That's the thing though - when it works it is (to all intents and purposes) not more materially effective than other EWAR. The only real difference is that other ewar affords the /illusion/ of a choice/ability to combat it.
If a gang is rolling with damps/TDs - their tackle etc will fly accordingly - you can chase it futilely but your death is just as certain as an ECM bird jamming you constantly. You might think you had a chance, but you really didn't.
Say somebody is flying an anti-tackle ship. And if anything comes in close to hard tackle him he will just blow them away...
Which is more powerful?
A damp which lets him shoot and fight out to web range or an ECM that makes him into a brick?
Now which is more fun?
ECM is just a cheap way for really bad players to fight, that's honestly all I see it as. And its too random too, something this random doesn't fit in with EVE gameplay. |

Justin Parmala
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Posted - 2013.07.28 14:49:00 -
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Get out troll.
Stop shitposting. |

Justin Parmala
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Posted - 2013.07.28 15:56:00 -
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Xzi Shihari wrote:Diesel47 wrote:Xzi Shihari wrote:Diesel47 wrote:Still don't like random luck based mechanics. "Random luck" is what makes the game interesting and unpredicatable, it aids the butterfly effect and has turned battles into epic wins/losses. With pure predictability every fleet would know exactly when to stand down, to the very last rifter. Everyone would know the exact outcome of a fight and thus you would have a very boring game. In essence the luck factor is one of the many reasons stories are told on Eve and essentially keeps everyone hanging around, for that fight won against all odds. You are exaggerating like crazy. The kind of random luck that causes amazing fleet battle turn arounds are mostly down to human error, and human error is nothing in short supply. I've never heard an interesting story that had to do with ECM. If a pilot is extremely skillful, and manages to take on 10 pilots solo and wins.. That is a good story. If some scrub gets a jam with ECM, how is that remotely interesting?  I am talking about the Luck variable, you know what else has a similar variable, falloff. Want to nerf that too? And have you heard about an interesting story about someone getting their capacitor neutralized or targeting range sensor damped? Nope hey lets nerf that too. If you could ponder that ECM is one of the many factors that plays into eve as well as webs, tracking disruptors I'd think you'd understand its importance in the Electronic Warfare food chain. If anything you should focus on Capacitor Neutralization too; because it has nearly the same effect but works in a completely seperate way.
Now you are making no sense at all. |

Justin Parmala
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Posted - 2013.07.28 16:06:00 -
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Xzi Shihari wrote:Justin Parmala wrote:Xzi Shihari wrote:
I am talking about the Luck variable, you know what else has a similar variable, falloff. Want to nerf that too? And have you heard about an interesting story about someone getting their capacitor neutralized or targeting range sensor damped? Nope hey lets nerf that too.
If you could ponder that ECM is one of the many factors that plays into eve as well as webs, tracking disruptors I'd think you'd understand its importance in the Electronic Warfare food chain.
If anything you should focus on Capacitor Neutralization too; because it has nearly the same effect but works in a completely seperate way.
Now you are making no sense at all. Maybe you mine alot, or have a puny brain.
Chill out, stop getting all asshurt because some of us aren't dumb enough to see ECM needs to go. |

Justin Parmala
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Posted - 2013.07.28 16:12:00 -
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Xzi Shihari wrote:Justin Parmala wrote:Xzi Shihari wrote:Justin Parmala wrote:Xzi Shihari wrote:
I am talking about the Luck variable, you know what else has a similar variable, falloff. Want to nerf that too? And have you heard about an interesting story about someone getting their capacitor neutralized or targeting range sensor damped? Nope hey lets nerf that too.
If you could ponder that ECM is one of the many factors that plays into eve as well as webs, tracking disruptors I'd think you'd understand its importance in the Electronic Warfare food chain.
If anything you should focus on Capacitor Neutralization too; because it has nearly the same effect but works in a completely seperate way.
Now you are making no sense at all. Maybe you mine alot, or have a puny brain. Chill out, stop getting all asshurt because some of us aren't dumb enough to see ECM needs to go. Nice, the OP's alt is attacking me now.
Nice, Jake Sake's alt is attacking me now. |

Justin Parmala
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Posted - 2013.07.28 16:30:00 -
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Xzi Shihari wrote: Right, all you can do is repeat what I say, and pretty much off topic. Props for the hard effort kid, but you don't make the cut.
Please feel free to try again.
-Xzi
Calls people kid, can't quote properly, "-xzi" (nobody cares who you are ), passive aggressive posts, derailing the thread.
Yeah, you should just gtfo. Cya, won't miss ya. |
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